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Poster: homelessjoe Date: Mar 15, 2005 12:51am
Forum: etree Subject: The best....whatever

I think if is a down-right ridiculous question to ask someone what the best live version of a particular song is. Some people prefer the versions with intense improvisation while others prefer the tightest version that most resembles the studio album version. I don't know how many people take one's opinions to heart and go out and download every single show or single song because someone figuratively puts the life of their first-born child up to back up their belief. It is a matter of opinion. When I was personally asked (not from a bulletin board or e-mail) what I felt was the best version of Dancin' In The Streets and I easily (to me) replied 5-6-70 without a doubt. This person went out and searched for the show on phishhook.com (before archive.org was as well known as it is today) and traded for it. He then hurried up and listened to the show when it came in the mail. He listened to it and whole heartedly disagreed with me. He was absolutely pissed for "the time and effort he took" to acquire this version of the song he loved to find out that it "sucked ass." He wanted the tightest non-improvised version he could find on a studio album. Sorry for the waste of board, but I had to spend these .02 before they burned a hole in my pocket.

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Poster: thelandlady Date: Mar 15, 2005 4:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The best....whatever

I like the best version of requests and have even put in a few of my own. When your stuck what to look for it can help find something you never would've looked at. Its also helps to give maybe a little about what your looking for. The archive really does make it easier top find things without that much of a hassle. I have had some good and some bad suggestions on what I was looking for. It has also helped broaden my horizons on what I feel is good or not...

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Poster: xtifr Date: Mar 15, 2005 5:21am
Forum: etree Subject: more to the point

This is not the "Grateful Dead Archive", it is the "Live Music Archive". There are nearly a thousand different bands represented here. The Dead are an extremely popular band with dozens, if not hundreds, of fan sites and discussion forums dedicated (or should that be "deadicated") to the band. A quick Google search will turn up all you could ask for. This is supposed to be a general purpose forum about the LMA, not a discussion forum about the Dead. Obviously, since Dead shows are hosted here, some discussion of the Dead is inevitable (and perfectly acceptable). But there is a serious danger of overrunning the forum and squeezing out everyone else. I can't offer to draw any hard lines, but I'd like to suggest that people at least consider taking some of these questions, especially the more obscure, specific, detailed questions of little interest to the general live music fan to a more appropriate forum. And heck, you might even see me there! :)

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Mar 16, 2005 1:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

Having only discovered the Archive last fall I have already seen this topic pop up a few times and fail to follow the logic of it. I don't understand how there could be "a serious danger of overrunning the forum and squeezing out everyone else." when there doesn't appear to be any limit to the number of messages LMA can post. The search feature at the top of the page is an easy way of finding out about bands you are interested in. As far as all the posts looking for "best versions" or "show recommendations" (which sure seem like "Live Music" questions to me.),it seems that the Grateful Dead are unique in having around 6000 hours available and a little help as to where to start is understandable. The bottom line is if the enthusiasts(?) of all the rest of the bands/artists hosted on LMA cared enough to write there'd seem to be opportunity for them to do so.

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Poster: homelessjoe Date: Mar 15, 2005 5:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

I agree with you 100% considering The Dead aren't even what I would consider my favorite band...here we go with that cursed word again. It just irritates me a little when I see that people NEED someone else's input before they just do some searching themselves to find what they consider the best or dare I say, their favorite. It is all one person's opinion. For instance, I am listening to John Coltrane's Blue Train and enjoy it thoroughly. Some people feel that this isn't some of Trane's best work, but I disagree. That in fact, is my opinion and one's own opinion is worth more to themselves than anyone else's.

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Poster: philw Date: Mar 15, 2005 11:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

I can see how you think the disscussions revolve around the Dead, but they have by far the largest presence here. As far as asking other peoples opinions on favorites, I started a post last week asking about a particular favorie song of mine and was very "grateful" for all the great shows people reccomended. Remember,there are over 2000 shows to chose from!!! While I agree there should be other topics disscused in this forum, I am very happy so many heads are happy to help newbies and veteran heads alike(I've been collecting since '93)Just my 2 cents!!!
Peace,
Phil

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 20, 2005 9:02am
Forum: etree Subject: "Best " Versions

wow, a "best"version, purely subjective isn't it...I judge by energy, creativity and musicianship, among other things...a partial list of some of their classics...in my humble opinion...(of course, this list is subject to change and I'm sure that I may be forgetting about a couple :})

Scarlet-Fire--5/8/77, 10-02-77, 10/10/80, 03/31/88, 03/22/90

Scarlet (stand alone) -- 03-20-77

Fire (stand alone) -- 11/24/78, 05/27/93

Morning Dew--05/02/70, 10/18/74, 05/08/77, 09/17/82, 06-18-83, 06/21/89 (89 is great year for Dew), 09/09/93

Looks Like Rain--10-31-85, 03-16-94

Shakedown Street--09-16-78, 11-24-78, 12-31-84, 06-30-85, 09-10-91

Standing on the Moon--12-06-89, 03-16-94, 06-02-95, 09-10-91, 08-21-93

Stella Blue--06-18-74, 10-21-78, 05-15-83, 03-21-94

Tennessee Jed--10-10-82

Cumberland Blues--12-30-81, 05-02-70, 10-21-83, 04-08-85

Playing in the Band--05-26-93, 10-15-83, 08-27-72, 03-16-88, 06-08-74...

Best First Sets--09-18-74, 12-30-81, 09-26-81, 10-15-83, 04-05-93, 08-07-82, 05-27-93, 06-14-91, 05-09-77, 09-03-77, acoustic 05-02-70







This post was modified by stratocaster on 2005-03-20 16:59:14

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Poster: Tito_ Date: Mar 31, 2005 6:29pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: 'Best ' Versions

The Picasso from 5-27-93 before Fire is quite excellent too.That was a great night.

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Poster: Tito_ Date: Mar 31, 2005 6:27pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: 'Best ' Versions

Foolish heart 2-21-95

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Poster: Tito_ Date: Mar 31, 2005 6:25pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: 'Best ' Versions

LL Rain 3-26-87
Standing 6-7-91

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Poster: xtifr Date: Mar 15, 2005 6:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

The Dead do have the most shows here (so far), but it's still only a small percentage of the total. And furthermore, there's still all those other forums targetted specifically at the Dead and deadheads. Many/most of the other bands here don't have the luxury of having hundreds of fan sites set up all over the world. There are _more_appropriate_ places for posting questions like, "what's the 'best' version of One More Saturday Night played on a Tuesday in late fall or early winter in an outdoor venue in the eastern or central time zones?" That's all I'm sayin'.

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Poster: box of rain Date: Mar 16, 2005 1:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

Oh, I don't know. Sure, the GD have a boatload of fan sites out there, and many (most?) are just that - *fan sites* ... places where folks put up show pics, CDR/tape covers, and the like, not even a discussion board, let alone offering up show d/ls.

Simple fact of the matter is, a site like this which serves as a central repository for downloadable live music is going to generate threads about so-called "best" versions of songs. And I, for one, don't believe such threads should be forced off the board. In the case of the GD, with many songs having been performed several hundred times (and factor in things like personnel changes, arrangement changes), a choice of show to d/l can be overwhelming for veteran heads and newbies alike.

Yes, this is all about subjective opinion. But good communication between interested parties can surely help mitigate misunderstandings of the sort pointed in the original post.

This post was modified by box of rain on 2005-03-16 09:34:54

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Mar 15, 2005 9:53pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

Back when Dave Matthews shows were the dominant presence in the LMA, we had very similar threads and meta-threads. General advice then was to respect that this is not a forum for just one particular band, even if it's a popular one.

At the least, mention *which* band you might be talking about in a thread here, and don't assume everyone else will know, even if it's obvious to you.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-03-16 05:53:40

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Poster: thelandlady Date: Mar 16, 2005 1:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

I see discussions like this for other bands now and again. They really aren't as frequent as The Dead are, but I have seen them. With the selection of shows on here...its going to happen. They don't really force people or other topics off the board in any way. People still discuss other things on there as well.

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Poster: rainydaybloke Date: Mar 15, 2005 6:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: more to the point

This all illustrates why it's so good being a Mekons fan. There is no 'best version' of anything because none of their shows on the archive is bad. There are a couple I dont play much but I don't regret downloading any of them. And at least I've heard them all.

Who wants to have to choose from "over 2000 shows" by any artist when there are so many more unknown quantities here. Who cares about guitar solos anyway? I'd rather have fun.

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Poster: droncit Date: Mar 15, 2005 3:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: The best....whatever

but then, for a lot of people, getting others' opinions helps them see what other people like about a band or group.

I personally never cared much for 5/8/77, and almost never listen to it, but what do I know?